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Canadian racism
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Steve Hayes
2009-08-31 18:36:06 UTC
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Canada is so racist it is almost unbelievable!

http://su.pr/1KYTzO
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Michael James
2009-08-31 19:50:05 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Canada is so racist it is almost unbelievable!
http://su.pr/1KYTzO
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Web:  http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog:http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
It is unbelielable.
It is the most obnoxious piece of crap I have heard from you,
It is a complete lie.

There may be individuals who are racist But Canada and Canadians in
general are not racist.

You take one newsclip about one person that is not even settle and you
INSULT ALL CANADIANS MYSELF INCLIDED

And you claim to have Christian values.....

Maybe you have noticed that our Governor General is of Haitian origin
and our last one was born in Hong Kong.
And there are millions of examples of people from different races
coming together in my country

You are nothing but a slanderer.
Hopefully no one will believe your .lies
Steve Hayes
2009-08-31 20:43:20 UTC
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:50:05 -0700 (PDT), Michael James
Post by Michael James
Post by Steve Hayes
Canada is so racist it is almost unbelievable!
http://su.pr/1KYTzO
It is unbelielable.
It is the most obnoxious piece of crap I have heard from you,
It is a complete lie.
Ah well, if you see an apology from the news agencies that spread the story,
acknowledging that it was a fabrication, please post it, in case we miss it
here.
Post by Michael James
There may be individuals who are racist But Canada and Canadians in
general are not racist.
Aye, but this one represents some kind of government body. I hope the Canadian
government will take suitable action.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://khanya.wordpress.com
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com

The instruments of the churl are evil: he deviseth
wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words,
even when the needy speaketh right.
But the liberal deviseth liberal things;
and by liberal things shall he stand (Isaiah 32:7-8).
Michael James
2009-08-31 21:36:26 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:50:05 -0700 (PDT), Michael James
Post by Michael James
Post by Steve Hayes
Canada is so racist it is almost unbelievable!
http://su.pr/1KYTzO
It is unbelielable.
It is the most obnoxious piece of crap I have heard from you,
It is a complete lie.
Ah well, if you see an apology from the news agencies that spread the story,
acknowledging that it was a fabrication, please post it, in case we miss it
here.
Post by Michael James
There may be individuals who are racist But Canada and Canadians in
general are not racist.
Aye, but this one represents some kind of government body. I hope the Canadian
government will take suitable action.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://khanya.wordpress.com
Blog:http://methodius.blogspot.com
The instruments of the churl are evil: he deviseth
wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words,
even when the needy speaketh right.
But the liberal deviseth liberal things;
and by liberal things shall he stand (Isaiah 32:7-8).
If some one from SA decides to apply for citizenship it is his right,
whatever argument he uses.Each case is studied and adjudicated. Just
applying is no guarantee of acceptance, though t can take a few
months. People are always using 'political assylum. Sometimes it is
justified sometimes not. But I am glad that we have such a system
where people who have gone through terrible experiences have found
refuge.
There are rules.
If this fellow want to leave South Africa and uses racist as a
justification for immigration, that is his decision, not the decision
of Canada.
If you don't like what this fellow is doing then blame him a least
find out why he is acting in such a fashion.
That would be the rational course of action.

So far , your post is the first I have heard. Usually something like
that would be food for the six oclock news.

So if you have read something about an unusual claim, don't apeshit
calling Canada racist.
Michael James
2009-08-31 21:51:52 UTC
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Post by Michael James
Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:50:05 -0700 (PDT), Michael James
Post by Michael James
Post by Steve Hayes
Canada is so racist it is almost unbelievable!
http://su.pr/1KYTzO
It is unbelielable.
It is the most obnoxious piece of crap I have heard from you,
It is a complete lie.
Ah well, if you see an apology from the news agencies that spread the story,
acknowledging that it was a fabrication, please post it, in case we miss it
here.
Post by Michael James
There may be individuals who are racist But Canada and Canadians in
general are not racist.
Aye, but this one represents some kind of government body. I hope the Canadian
government will take suitable action.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://khanya.wordpress.com
Blog:http://methodius.blogspot.com
The instruments of the churl are evil: he deviseth
wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words,
even when the needy speaketh right.
But the liberal deviseth liberal things;
and by liberal things shall he stand (Isaiah 32:7-8).
If some one from SA decides to apply for citizenship it is his right,
whatever argument he uses.Each case is studied and adjudicated.  Just
applying is no guarantee of acceptance, though t can take a few
months. People are always using 'political assylum.  Sometimes it is
justified sometimes not. But I am glad that we have such a system
where people who have gone through terrible experiences have found
refuge.
There are rules.
If this fellow want to leave South  Africa and uses racist as a
justification for immigration, that is his decision, not the decision
of Canada.
If you don't like what this fellow is doing then blame him  a least
find out why he is acting in such a fashion.
That would be the rational course of action.
So far , your post is the first I have heard.  Usually something like
that would be food for the six oclock news.
So  if you have read something about an unusual claim, don't apeshit
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Well I found the source, It is from the Ottawa citizen, and he has
been granted citizenship.
I don't live in SA so I can not confirm what claims Since you live
there you can confirm or deny his reason fro seeking refugee status.
Here is a quote from the Ottawa Citizen:

"rowing up in Mowbray, a town near Cape Town, Huntley was attacked
seven times — including three stabbings — by black South Africans
during attempted robberies and muggings.

During these attacks, Huntley told the refugee board that he was
called “a white dog” and “a settler,” a reference to South Africa’s
colonial past based on racial apartheid.

“If you have got the money, you can protect yourself,” Huntley said of
the armed security guards wealthy white South Africans hire to protect
themselves.

Huntley’s “subjective fear of persecution remained constant and
consistent” up to the time he made his refugee claim, Davis noted in
his decision on Huntley’s claim.

The decision also took into account testimony by Laura Kaplan, 41, the
sister of Huntley’s lawyer, who immigrated to Canada last year from
her native South Africa.

Laura Kaplan testified about being threatened by armed black South
Africans and the torture of her brother Robert in 1997 when a gang of
black men broke into his house, tortured him for eight hours, shot him
three times and left him for dead.

Davis said the evidence of Huntley and Laura Kaplan “show a picture of
indifference and inability or unwillingness” of the South African
government to protect “White South Africans from persecution by
African South Africans.”

http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2009/08/28/10659546.html

If what he is saying is true, then he has a very good reason to be
afraid.
Of course since you live there you can tell us if what he has claimed
is a lie, and his claim for refugee status is founded on false
information.


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Steve Hayes
2009-09-01 10:11:49 UTC
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Michael James
Post by Michael James
If what he is saying is true, then he has a very good reason to be
afraid.
Of course since you live there you can tell us if what he has claimed
is a lie, and his claim for refugee status is founded on false
information.
As I said, it is not what the applicant said, but what the fairman of the
refugee board said that was the biggest problem and the biggest lie.

For the other side of the story, read this:

http://nextchurch.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/ice-cold-coke-in-a-shack/
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://khanya.wordpress.com
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com

The instruments of the churl are evil: he deviseth
wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words,
even when the needy speaketh right.
But the liberal deviseth liberal things;
and by liberal things shall he stand (Isaiah 32:7-8).
Michael James
2009-09-01 11:39:21 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Michael James
Post by Michael James
If what he is saying is true, then he has a very good reason to be
afraid.
Of course since you live there you can tell us if what he has claimed
is a lie,   and his claim for refugee status is founded on false
information.
As I said, it is not what the applicant said, but what the fairman of the
refugee board said that was the biggest problem and the biggest lie.
http://nextchurch.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/ice-cold-coke-in-a-shack/
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://khanya.wordpress.com
Blog:http://methodius.blogspot.com
The instruments of the churl are evil: he deviseth
wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words,
even when the needy speaketh right.
But the liberal deviseth liberal things;
and by liberal things shall he stand (Isaiah 32:7-8).
If the statement of some beaureaucrat bothers you then it might be
appropriate to first write to the Ottawa Citizen, and express your
thoughts which will be read by many people in the capital, and should
have some results.

Also that you classify his remark as racist is strange...
I was once on a transit car in Atlanta one saturday night and everyone
was African-American, except for myself and my host. A novel
experience for me.
If I were to say I stuck out like a sore thumb, that is not a racist
remark. It is an english expression, that everyone knows, at least in
Canada and it simply refers to something is in stark contrast. I
presume that doesn't apply in South Africa, which is what pissed you
off.
But that does not indicate racism but rather ignorance about South
Africa.

So the subject of this thread should be Canadian Civil service
twit..not Canadian racism
Spizz
2009-09-01 16:57:17 UTC
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Post by Michael James
Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:51:52 -0700 (PDT), Michael James
Post by Michael James
If what he is saying is true, then he has a very good reason to be
afraid.
Of course since you live there you can tell us if what he has claimed
is a lie, and his claim for refugee status is founded on false
information.
As I said, it is not what the applicant said, but what the fairman of the
refugee board said that was the biggest problem and the biggest lie.
http://nextchurch.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/ice-cold-coke-in-a-shack/
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://khanya.wordpress.com
Blog:http://methodius.blogspot.com
The instruments of the churl are evil: he deviseth
wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words,
even when the needy speaketh right.
But the liberal deviseth liberal things;
and by liberal things shall he stand (Isaiah 32:7-8).
If the statement of some beaureaucrat bothers you then it might be
appropriate to first write to the Ottawa Citizen, and express your
thoughts which will be read by many people in the capital, and should
have some results.
Also that you classify his remark as racist is strange...
I was once on a transit car in Atlanta one saturday night and everyone
was African-American, except for myself and my host. A novel
experience for me.
If I were to say I stuck out like a sore thumb, that is not a racist
remark. It is an english expression, that everyone knows, at least in
Canada and it simply refers to something is in stark contrast. I
presume that doesn't apply in South Africa, which is what pissed you
off.
But that does not indicate racism but rather ignorance about South
Africa.
That's exactly what I have just implied in another post, but South Africans
bring racism into every discussion so don't let it surprise you.
Post by Michael James
So the subject of this thread should be Canadian Civil service
twit..not Canadian racism
Yes, it should.

Spizz
Steve Hayes
2009-09-01 06:35:00 UTC
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:36:26 -0700 (PDT), Michael James
Post by Michael James
Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:50:05 -0700 (PDT), Michael James
Post by Michael James
Post by Steve Hayes
Canada is so racist it is almost unbelievable!
http://su.pr/1KYTzO
It is unbelielable.
It is the most obnoxious piece of crap I have heard from you,
It is a complete lie.
Ah well, if you see an apology from the news agencies that spread the story,
acknowledging that it was a fabrication, please post it, in case we miss it
here.
Post by Michael James
There may be individuals who are racist But Canada and Canadians in
general are not racist.
Aye, but this one represents some kind of government body. I hope the Canadian
government will take suitable action.
If some one from SA decides to apply for citizenship it is his right,
whatever argument he uses.Each case is studied and adjudicated. Just
applying is no guarantee of acceptance, though t can take a few
months. People are always using 'political assylum. Sometimes it is
justified sometimes not. But I am glad that we have such a system
where people who have gone through terrible experiences have found
refuge.
There are rules.
If this fellow want to leave South Africa and uses racist as a
justification for immigration, that is his decision, not the decision
of Canada.
If you don't like what this fellow is doing then blame him a least
find out why he is acting in such a fashion.
That would be the rational course of action.
It's not what Brandon Huntley is doing that bothers me. We have plenty of
racists in South Africa, white and black. And certainly he seems to have had a
tough time.

No, what I was objecting to was the reported statement by the chairman of the
the immigration review board, that wherever Huntley went in South Africa he
would stick out like a sore thumb because of his colour.

That is the lie, and that, if you are looking for one, is the insult.

And Davis wasn't acting as a privete citizen, shooting off his mouth, but as a
member of an official Canadian government body.

What would be your response if, say, a gay person was mugged and beaten up by
street thugs in Canada, who called him a "damned faggot", and then applied for
political asylum in South Africa on the grounds that the Canadian government
was unable or unwilling to protect him, and he was granted political asylum in
South Africa on the grounds that he would stick out like a sore thumb anywhere
in Canada because of his sexual orientation?
Post by Michael James
So far , your post is the first I have heard. Usually something like
that would be food for the six oclock news.
There's a follow-up here http://tinyurl.com/n2nway
Post by Michael James
So if you have read something about an unusual claim, don't apeshit
calling Canada racist.
Well, as I said, if you can show that it isn't so, I'd be a lot happier about
it.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Ray Laughton
2009-09-02 23:53:02 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:36:26 -0700 (PDT), Michael James
Post by Michael James
Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:50:05 -0700 (PDT), Michael James
Post by Steve Hayes
Canada is so racist it is almost unbelievable!
http://su.pr/1KYTzO
It is unbelielable. the most obnoxious piece of crap I have heard from
It is you, a complete lie.
Ah well, if you see an apology from the news agencies that spread the
story, acknowledging that it was a fabrication, please post it, in case
we miss it here.
There may be individuals who are racist But Canada and Canadians in
general are not racist.
Aye, but this one represents some kind of government body. I hope the
Canadian government will take suitable action.
If some one from SA decides to apply for citizenship it is his right,
whatever argument he uses.Each case is studied and adjudicated. Just
applying is no guarantee of acceptance, though t can take a few months.
People are always using 'political assylum. Sometimes it is justified
sometimes not. But I am glad that we have such a system where people who
have gone through terrible experiences have found refuge. There are
rules. If this fellow want to leave South Africa and uses racist as a
justification for immigration, that is his decision, not the decision of
Canada. If you don't like what this fellow is doing then blame him a
least find out why he is acting in such a fashion. That would be the
rational course of action.
It's not what Brandon Huntley is doing that bothers me. We have plenty of
racists in South Africa, white and black. And certainly he seems to have
had a tough time.
No, what I was objecting to was the reported statement by the chairman of
the the immigration review board, that wherever Huntley went in South
Africa he would stick out like a sore thumb because of his colour.
That is the lie, and that, if you are looking for one, is the insult.
And Davis wasn't acting as a privete citizen, shooting off his mouth, but
as a member of an official Canadian government body.
I also found that chairman's remark silly, indicating that he had little
insight into what was happening in SA, in fact it spoilt an otherwise
good decision. I bet Huntley or his lawyer could have corrected him but
they just shut up about it because the decision was going their way..
I think you're overreacting to it, its not an insult, just an ignorant
remark. Far worse was the (predictable) response from our 'guvament'
calling it a racist decision. Every form of criticism against the ANC
and its government is labelled as racist, its become pathetic. They
forget how the Canadians supported the ANC prior to 1994.
What happened to Huntley and his family completely justifies his
decision to apply for asylum. I'm sure the perpetrators were never
caught, and thats the difference to visa-versa examples.
--
RL
Steve Hayes
2009-09-03 04:40:11 UTC
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Post by Ray Laughton
What happened to Huntley and his family completely justifies his
decision to apply for asylum. I'm sure the perpetrators were never
caught, and thats the difference to visa-versa examples.
On that basis, almost the entire population of Iraq and Afghanistan has a far
better right to claim political asylum in Canada.

Anyone who has ever been mugged, anywhere in the world, where the perpetrators
were not caught, could be granted political asylum in Canada. A black guy from
Britain, say, who had been mugged in Manchester, in the course of which the
muggers had made some racist remarks, would stick out like a sore thumb
anywhere in Britain, because of his colour, which would make him unsafe, so
give him political asylum in Canada.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Ray Laughton
2009-09-07 00:20:01 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Ray Laughton
What happened to Huntley and his family completely justifies his
decision to apply for asylum. I'm sure the perpetrators were never
caught, and thats the difference to visa-versa examples.
On that basis, almost the entire population of Iraq and Afghanistan has a far
better right to claim political asylum in Canada.
Those are countries at war.. duh!
Post by Steve Hayes
Anyone who has ever been mugged, anywhere in the world, where the perpetrators
were not caught, could be granted political asylum in Canada. A black guy from
Britain, say, who had been mugged in Manchester, in the course of which the
muggers had made some racist remarks, would stick out like a sore thumb
anywhere in Britain, because of his colour, which would make him unsafe, so
give him political asylum in Canada.
Possibly, but its so theoretical. Besides if the guy's family insists
the cops will follow it up and prosecute. Bloody deeds are difficult to
hide nowdays where 1st world forensics are available and done
carefully.. So the perps are punished and he has no need to emigrate.
However, Huntley (big 1st team lock, martial arts, fit) never bothered
the cops as its futile to do so. Thats something they CAN document with
hundreds of articles.
--
RL
bob young
2009-09-03 05:33:02 UTC
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Post by Michael James
Post by Steve Hayes
Canada is so racist it is almost unbelievable!
http://su.pr/1KYTzO
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog:http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
It is unbelielable.
It is the most obnoxious piece of crap I have heard from you,
It is a complete lie.
I live in hong kong and many of my old chinese staff left for Canada years ago.
They visit me when they are here and we keep in touch by email.

NOT ONCE have I heard any complaints from any of them about racism. Many have
their kids at schools and universities, they are happy there and would not
change for anything.
Post by Michael James
There may be individuals who are racist But Canada and Canadians in
general are not racist.
You take one newsclip about one person that is not even settle and you
INSULT ALL CANADIANS MYSELF INCLIDED
And you claim to have Christian values.....
Maybe you have noticed that our Governor General is of Haitian origin
and our last one was born in Hong Kong.
And there are millions of examples of people from different races
coming together in my country
You are nothing but a slanderer.
Hopefully no one will believe your .lies
Topaz
2009-08-31 23:30:07 UTC
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I heard Izzy Asper died so the following article is outdated. But it
still gives a lot of insight on Canada.

By Dr. William Pierce

"As you may be aware, the mass media in
Canada are as much under Jewish control as in the United States. The
undisputed top media mogul in Canada is Israel Asper, who is commonly
known by his nickname "Izzy." With his sons Leonard and David and
other family members, Izzy Asper owns CanWest Global Communications
Corporation.

A Gentile, Conrad Black, also used to be a major player in the
Canadian media, but a little over a year ago Black's Southam News,
Inc., was bought out by Izzy. CanWest now owns more than 60 per cent
of Canada's newspapers and other media outlets. That's more than 60
per cent of all of Canada's mass media in the hands of one Jew.
Included are 14 metropolitan dailies and 128 local newspapers across
the country, including the Vancouver Sun, the Vancouver Province, the
Calgary Herald, and the Montreal Gazette. CanWest also owns the
National Post, which is distributed throughout Canada. In addition
Izzy owns media in the United States, Australia, New Zealand, and
Northern Ireland.

Last month Izzy issued a written directive to his newspapers,
instructing them that from now on they must print nothing critical of
Israel or of Israeli actions or policies. This is a rare thing.
Usually directives of this sort are oral only, and great care is taken
to keep them from coming to the attention of the public. But Izzy,
with even more brass than is customary for his tribe, made his
directive public. He announced that, beginning three weeks ago,
December 12, the editorial content of all of his newspapers would be
homogenized, and they all would be pro-Israel.

Now here's the interesting part: if all of Izzy's Gentile underlings
were simply corrupt-were simply paid mercenaries who wrote what they
were told to write-then there would be no controversy; all of the
local editors and reporters and columnists simply would follow orders.
But there is a controversy. A group of reporters and writers at the
Montreal Gazette have rebelled, at least for the moment. One of them,
Bill Marsden, an investigative reporter, revealed on a Canadian
Broadcasting Corporation radio program called "As It Happens" that his
editor at the Gazette had instructed him never to report anything that
might reflect badly on Israel. Paraphrasing Izzy's directive, Marsden
said, and I quote: "We do not run in our newspaper op-ed pieces that
express criticism of Israel and what it is doing in the Middle East."

Marsden and 54 other reporters at the Montreal Gazette went on strike
in protest at what they describe as undue corporate interference with
freedom of the press.

Their strike has infuriated Izzy. Izzy's son David characterized the
striking reporters as "childish" and "self-righteous." He said, and I
quote: "Why don't they just quit and have the courage of their
convictions? Maybe they should go out and, for the first time in their
lives, take a risk, put their money where their mouth is, and start
their own newspaper."

How's that for chutzpah, as the Jews like to call it? One can read in
David Asper's reaction to the reporters the thought, "How dare these
mere Gentiles, these mere goyim, question what we, God's Chosen
People, decide should be the party line for Canada's newspapers! How
dare they!" I mean it's not just that Izzy owns the Montreal Gazette,
and so he is entitled to set the editorial policy, and other
newspapers can set different policies. Izzy thinks that he is entitled
to set the editorial policy for all of Canada's newspapers and
determine what all Canadians think.

The man chosen by the Aspers to write the editorials for all of their
newspapers is Murdoch Davis. When asked by "As It Happens" whether or
not one of CanWest's newspapers would be permitted to buck the party
line on Israel, Davis replied, and I quote: "No. It is clearly the
intent that the newspapers will speak with one voice on certain issues
of overarching national or international importance."-end of quote --
When asked specifically whether or not one of the Asper newspapers
would be permitted to raise the question of Israel's long-standing
violation of international law and its defiance of UN resolutions
calling for withdrawal from illegally occupied Palestinian territory,
Davis again responded in the negative.

So that's the present situation with freedom of the press in Canada:
not really very different from the situation in the United States. So
what about the mentality of journalists? The fact that the reporters
at the Montreal Gazette are protesting Izzy's directive that they can
report nothing negative about Israel indicates that they are not
entirely mercenary. To me, however, it does not indicate that they are
independent thinkers. I believe that they are as much lemmings as the
dullest couch potato or sports fan. What caused their protest was the
arrogant and contemptuous way in which the Aspers went about
reconciling two conflicting elements in the Jewish party line.

On the one hand journalists have been taught that the United Nations
is a splendid and admirable organization, whose resolutions should be
obeyed. They also have been taught that all races and ethnic groups
are equal-in fact, essentially the same-but that racial minorities and
underdogs generally deserve our special sympathy, and that in any
conflict with a ruling group the underdogs are in the right. That's
standard liberal dogma. You have to believe that in order to be a
journalist. On the other hand, journalists have been taught that Jews
are wonderful people who can do no wrong, and that to think otherwise
is anti-Semitism, which is as bad as or worse than racism. It's hard
enough reconciling the elevated status of Jews with the concept of
racial and ethnic equality, but most journalists by working at it are
able to do it-except where the conflict between Jews and Palestinians
is concerned. That requires a special effort and really careful
handling by their Jewish bosses. How do you explain to a journalist
who already believes all of the liberal dogma that if Iraq ignores a
UN resolution it should be bombed into the Stone Age and then starved
into submission with a rigid trade embargo, but if Israel ignores 14
UN resolutions we should respond by sending the Israelis more military
and economic aid?

How do you explain to a journalist who has been taught that when South
Africa used to be a White country and practiced apartheid, and the
South African police sometimes beat information out of captured Black
terrorists, it was a terrible thing and had to be condemned in the
strongest terms, but when Israel practices apartheid, assassinates
Palestinian leaders, and tortures Palestinian prisoners, nothing
should be said about it?

How do you explain to a journalist that it is an intolerable threat to
the security of the world if some Muslim country develops weapons of
mass destruction, and the United States is justified in a preemptive
strike to destroy the weapons production facilities, but when a
psychotic little country like Israel builds an arsenal of chemical,
nuclear, and biological weapons, using materials and technology stolen
from us, it's OK, and we should ignore it?

How do you explain to a journalist steeped in the tenets of feminism
that he shouldn't say anything about Israel's booming slave trade in
girls and women kidnapped from eastern Europe and forced to work as
sex slaves?

How do you explain to a journalist who believes wholeheartedly in
egalitarianism that it's perhaps regrettable but certainly excusable
when Jews rocket Palestinian villages and use Palestinian children for
target practice, but it's "terrorism" and completely unjustifiable
when the Palestinians hit back?

Believe me, explaining these things is tricky, but it can be done, if
it's done with patience and care. It can be done, because when it
comes to matters of faith, a lemming really isn't rational. He's quite
capable of believing two mutually contradictory things at the same
time. The problem that brought on the mini-rebellion at the Montreal
Gazette is that Izzy wasn't patient and careful. He was arrogant and
contemptuous of his Gentile reporters. But they'll get over it, I'm
sure. They always do. They're lemmings.

But, as I said, what is happening now in Canada is interesting. It
gives us insight into the workings of journalists' minds, and it also
brings out into the open not only the monopoly Jewish control of the
Canadian mass media but also the way in which that control is used to
slant the news and Canadian public opinion so as to serve Jewish
interests to the detriment of Canadian interests.

Do you think that any of these revelations will be of benefit to
Canadians? Will the average Canadian say, "Oh, my goodness! I didn't
realize that one man, and a Jew at that, controls more than 60 per
cent of all the mass media in Canada and is using that control to
deceive Canadians as to what is happening in the Middle East. That's
terrible! We'd better have our lawmakers do something to break up this
media monopoly, so that we will have a better chance to learn the
truth about what's happening in the world when we read a newspaper or
watch a television news program."

What do you think? I think that about 98 per cent of Canadians won't
even look up from their ball games. I think that there's not a
politician in Canada who will dare go up against Izzy Asper. This
whole tempest at the Montreal Gazette will blow over in a few days,
and all of Izzy's newspapers and other media will toe the party line
as if nothing had happened.

And now I'm talking only to the two or three or four per cent of
Canadians-and also to the two or three or four per cent of
Americans-who aren't so absorbed in their ball games that they don't
notice things like this and don't really care either. I'm talking to
the small portion of the White population in both countries -- and in
fact, in countries around the world-who do notice and do care. I want
you to understand that this is the way nations lose their freedom.
More than that, this is the way races become extinct.

The majority of the population in Canada and the United States and in
every country in Europe consists of lemmings, who always have been
manipulated by whoever is in power. For approximately the last 100
years the power to manipulate the thinking of the lemmings-of the
masses, if you prefer-has been shifting from the authority figures in
the government and in the churches to the people who control the mass
media. These days the people who control the media also control the
government for all practical purposes, and the churches have become
irrelevant, which is why the Canadian government won't try to break up
Izzy's media monopoly and why the politicians in the United States
will never go beyond pretending to be concerned about too much sex and
violence on television when they have a mock fight with the media.
Controlling a country's mass media doesn't mean just being able to
exert a decisive influence on a country's foreign policy, as Izzy
Asper is doing in Canada, and as his fellow Jews long have done in the
United States. It doesn't mean just getting a country involved in
unnecessary wars and subjecting its citizens to retaliatory terrorist
attacks. It means influencing immigration policy. It means influencing
educational policy. It means influencing social policy. It means being
able to control the way most of a country's people think about
everything: about race and morality and lifestyles and other countries
and freedom and the meaning of life. Most of the degenerative changes
that have taken place in America and in Canada since the Second World
War have been consequences of Jewish media influence. As that
influence continues to grow, the chances of our people being able to
throw off the yoke and regain control of our own destiny become
smaller and smaller.

In Canada at the moment, Izzy Asper's surfeit of chutzpah has brought
to the attention of the public-that is to the attention of that small
portion of the public that cares about such things-his monopoly
control of Canada's mass media and his intent to use those media for
Jewish propaganda purposes. Light has been cast on this grave
situation because most journalists are lemmings, and a few of them are
chattering excitedly now about things such as "freedom of the press."
Really, the whole debate is silly. Canada had no freedom of the press
even before Izzy got his greedy hands on most of Canada's newspapers.
For years it has been illegal in Canada to publish anything considered
"racist" or "anti-Semitic" or even Politically Incorrect. When a
Canadian buys copies of any of my books and they are mailed to him,
the Canadian secret police confiscate them at the border. Publicly
challenging the details of the Jewish "Holocaust" story can result in
a prison term for a Canadian. Canada's journalists thought all of
that-stopping "hate," as they called it-was just fine. Pretty soon
they will realize that requiring all mass media to say only nice
things about what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians is also part
of the noble effort to stop "hate," and that also will be just fine
with them.

We can't change the nature of lemmings. Someone always will manipulate
them. What is of the utmost importance is who it is that manipulates
them, because whoever that is will determine the course taken by the
whole society, by the nation, by the race. In the past, when it was a
king or a pope or a dictator who set the party line, many mistakes
were made, sometimes due to selfishness or irresponsibility, sometimes
due to ignorance or carelessness or stupidity or prejudice. But at
least the people setting the party line for the masses were our
people, members of our own race. Now, increasingly, the arbiters of
the party line are Jews or people wholly under Jewish influence. And
the Jews, as always, are looking out only for their own interests, not
for ours. To them we are merely tools to be used in advancing their
interests.

And that's at best. At worst they are pursuing policies intended not
only to advance their interests, but also to destroy us. Don't try to
debate this matter with the Jews; they will, of course, deny it. Just
look at the policies they have been pushing for the past 50 years and
where those policies have been taking us. Just consider the facts, not
their specious arguments designed to keep you demoralized and
non-resisting.

My fellow Americans and my fellow Canadians: we are in a bad
situation. Let us stop ignoring it. Let us begin deciding what we're
going to do about it. I'm doing what I can do in speaking out about it
and getting others to speak out. You must decide what you are able and
willing to do and then begin doing it.


http://www.ihr.org/ www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/

http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org

http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/
Spizz
2009-09-01 16:42:15 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Canada is so racist it is almost unbelievable!
http://su.pr/1KYTzO
Can you explain why you see this as racism? Looks to me as if some guy is
trying his luck at extending his work visa and has bamboozled the committee,
who unsurprisingly know less about your country than you do. Why would you
assume that they are authorities on South Africa? I'd say that they simply
had a decision to make based on the facts presented, and their conclusions
were based on entirely on this. How long do we all spend trying to explain
South Africa to people who haven't been there? It's a complex situation and
short of a fact finding tour to Cape Town, what else could they have done?
To expect them to know how white people live and also feel about living in
SA is ignorance on your part, not theirs.

Spizz
Steve Hayes
2009-09-02 04:59:22 UTC
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Post by Spizz
Post by Steve Hayes
Canada is so racist it is almost unbelievable!
http://su.pr/1KYTzO
Can you explain why you see this as racism? Looks to me as if some guy is
trying his luck at extending his work visa and has bamboozled the committee,
who unsurprisingly know less about your country than you do. Why would you
assume that they are authorities on South Africa? I'd say that they simply
had a decision to make based on the facts presented, and their conclusions
were based on entirely on this. How long do we all spend trying to explain
South Africa to people who haven't been there? It's a complex situation and
short of a fact finding tour to Cape Town, what else could they have done?
To expect them to know how white people live and also feel about living in
SA is ignorance on your part, not theirs.
Perhaps.

Perhaps the Canadian immigration system is structured in such a way that any
illegal immigrant can become legal by calling himself a refugee, and there
will be minimal investigation.

I suppose it has it's good side -- I've just remembered that a lot of
conscientious objectors from the various wars the USA engaged in were accepted
in Canada for similar reasons.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://khanya.wordpress.com
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com

The instruments of the churl are evil: he deviseth
wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words,
even when the needy speaketh right.
But the liberal deviseth liberal things;
and by liberal things shall he stand (Isaiah 32:7-8).
- .. -- Tim .-.
2009-09-02 07:04:38 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Post by Spizz
Post by Steve Hayes
Canada is so racist it is almost unbelievable!
http://su.pr/1KYTzO
Can you explain why you see this as racism? Looks to me as if some
guy is trying his luck at extending his work visa and has bamboozled
the committee, who unsurprisingly know less about your country than
you do. Why would you assume that they are authorities on South
Africa? I'd say that they simply had a decision to make based on the
facts presented, and their conclusions were based on entirely on
this. How long do we all spend trying to explain South Africa to
people who haven't been there? It's a complex situation and short of
a fact finding tour to Cape Town, what else could they have done? To
expect them to know how white people live and also feel about living
in SA is ignorance on your part, not theirs.
Perhaps.
Perhaps the Canadian immigration system is structured in such a way
that any illegal immigrant can become legal by calling himself a
refugee, and there will be minimal investigation.
I suppose it has it's good side -- I've just remembered that a lot of
conscientious objectors from the various wars the USA engaged in were
accepted in Canada for similar reasons.
9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
[KJV]

Tim.
Peter Brooks
2009-09-02 12:35:00 UTC
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What beats me about all this nonsense it there seem to be some people
claiming that white people born in Africa aren't Africans. Now that
seems racist to me!
Spizz
2009-09-02 12:40:13 UTC
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Post by Peter Brooks
What beats me about all this nonsense it there seem to be some people
claiming that white people born in Africa aren't Africans. Now that
seems racist to me!
Of course it is. Try telling a third generation West Indian immigrant from
Birmingham that he is not British.

Spizz
Peter Brooks
2009-09-02 12:52:34 UTC
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Post by Spizz
Post by Peter Brooks
What beats me about all this nonsense it there seem to be some people
claiming that white people born in Africa aren't Africans. Now that
seems racist to me!
Of course it is. Try telling a third generation West Indian immigrant from
Birmingham that he is not British.
Yes, quite.
Michael James
2009-09-02 14:39:04 UTC
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Post by Peter Brooks
What beats me about all this nonsense it there seem to be some people
claiming that white people born in Africa aren't Africans. Now that
seems racist to me!
Who are these people to whom you are refering? Where are they?
I have never heard anybody in my life say such things. Why would
anyone even think about that idea? It has nothing to do with
Canada. "Are whites born in Africa african? Yes but who cares. The
question never even crosses our minds.
Next question: Are there MacDonald's in Mongolia?
Peter Brooks
2009-09-02 19:37:22 UTC
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Post by Peter Brooks
What beats me about all this nonsense it there seem to be some people
claiming that white people born in Africa aren't Africans. Now that
seems racist to me!
Who are these people to whom you are refering?  Where are they?
I have never heard anybody in my life say such things. Why   would
anyone  even think about  that idea? It has nothing to do with
Canada.   "Are whites born in Africa african?  Yes but who cares. The
question never even crosses our minds.
I'm sure that a lot of things never cross your minds. This being a
cross-posted thread being one of them.
Steve Hayes
2009-09-03 04:54:41 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Peter Brooks
Post by Peter Brooks
Post by Peter Brooks
What beats me about all this nonsense it there seem to be some people
claiming that white people born in Africa aren't Africans. Now that
seems racist to me!
Who are these people to whom you are refering?  Where are they?
I have never heard anybody in my life say such things. Why   would
anyone  even think about  that idea? It has nothing to do with
Canada.   "Are whites born in Africa african?  Yes but who cares. The
question never even crosses our minds.
I'm sure that a lot of things never cross your minds. This being a
cross-posted thread being one of them.
Mr James has some peculiar ideas.

In another thread, which you probably didn't see, he insisted that calling
Myanmar undemocratic was an insult to the USA.

But when some Canadian government jobsworth says, in effect, something similar
about South Africa, Mr James doesn't see it as an insult.

The fact is that South Africa has a democratic non-racial constitution, with a
bill of rights to protect people like Mr Huntley, regardless or the colour of
his skin, and a constitutional court to uphold it.

The Bill of Rights (Chapter 2 of the constiution) says, inter alia, that

"the state mat not unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone
one one or more grounds, inculding race, gender, sex, pregnancy, marital
status, ethnic or social origin, colour, sexual orientation, age, disability,
religion, conscience, belief, culture, language and birth."

The remarks of the chairman of the Canadian refugee board were gratuitously
insulting.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Michael James
2009-09-03 05:48:13 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Peter Brooks
Post by Peter Brooks
Post by Peter Brooks
What beats me about all this nonsense it there seem to be some people
claiming that white people born in Africa aren't Africans. Now that
seems racist to me!
Who are these people to whom you are refering?  Where are they?
I have never heard anybody in my life say such things. Why   would
anyone  even think about  that idea? It has nothing to do with
Canada.   "Are whites born in Africa african?  Yes but who cares. The
question never even crosses our minds.
I'm sure that a lot of things never cross your minds. This being a
cross-posted thread being one of them.
Mr James has some peculiar ideas.
In another thread, which you probably didn't see, he insisted that calling
Myanmar undemocratic was an insult to the USA.
+++++++++++++
I DID NOT...I was confused by your 'editing' the posts.. which made
who said what about which country very unclear./
and I thought you were refering to the USA as undemocratic..NOT
MYANMAR

You know that! I already explained that to you iin my replies to
you and yet you insist on bringing the misunderstandings there into,
this post. To start in lies in this thread about what I said in
another thread it really sick.


You twist what people say and then call them peciliar Stop bearing
false withness, if you can

+++++++++++++++++++++
Post by Steve Hayes
But when some Canadian government jobsworth says, in effect, something similar
about South Africa, Mr James doesn't see it as an insult.
The fact is that South Africa has a democratic non-racial constitution, with a
bill of rights to protect people like Mr Huntley, regardless or the colour of
his skin, and a constitutional court to uphold it.
The Bill of Rights (Chapter 2 of the constiution) says, inter alia, that
"the state mat not unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone
one one or more grounds, inculding race, gender, sex, pregnancy, marital
status, ethnic or social origin, colour, sexual orientation, age, disability,
religion, conscience, belief, culture, language and birth."
++++++++++++well it says in the Bible not to bear false witness, but
people do Mr. Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
The remarks of the chairman of the Canadian refugee board were gratuitously
insulting.
++++++++++++++++++++++
OH yeah Read this article. And be sure to read the comments
following , many of which are by former South Aftican who afirm that
Whites have been mstreated.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090902/refugee_decision_090902/20090902?hub=TopStories


I presume you think that only white people can be racists.


-------------
some excerps:
.................

"Robert in Winnipeg and Vancouver 292 29
It is shocking how the western media has been silent regarding the
horrific crimes perpetrated by blacks on whites. White farmers are
being slaughtered and white women are being raped in huge numbers
while the police there do little if anything. Somehow the western bias
assumes that only whites are capable of racism. It's disgusting and
the truth about South Africa needs to be exposed. For once our refugee
board got it right! Calling Canada racist is just a way of shutting
off the discussion."
------------------------------

Prof. Pye Chartt 209 7
NOT ALTOGETHER UNEXPECTED

My understanding from a couple I know who used to live in South Africa
(and have since, according to them, fled) is that when "white rule"
was ended tables turned sharply and it became generally unsafe for
many whites to live without security protection.

Stories about walled neighborhoods topped with barbed wire, gated
entries, "safe" vehicles to shuttle children to/from school, and a gun
in the car and the house, abound.

Sad and disturbing.

---------------------
MD 216 14
I've met some white South African immigrants a year back or so that
moved to Canada because they were facing the same problems.

So it is now racism if a majority white nation (Canada) accepts white
refugees? Pathetic! Is there any common sense left in this world. Does
1+1=3 now?

----------------------------


That SA has a nice constitution does not mean that all people are like
Desmond Tutu. It is quite believable that there are people acting in
such a fashion. Next you are going to tell us that whites have not
been killed in Zimbabwe?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Post by Steve Hayes
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web:  http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog:http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Bodie
2009-11-15 13:48:48 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Peter Brooks
Post by Peter Brooks
Post by Peter Brooks
What beats me about all this nonsense it there seem to be some people
claiming that white people born in Africa aren't Africans. Now that
seems racist to me!
Who are these people to whom you are refering? Where are they?
I have never heard anybody in my life say such things. Why would
anyone even think about that idea? It has nothing to do with
Canada. "Are whites born in Africa african? Yes but who cares. The
question never even crosses our minds.
I'm sure that a lot of things never cross your minds. This being a
cross-posted thread being one of them.
Mr James has some peculiar ideas.
In another thread, which you probably didn't see, he insisted that calling
Myanmar undemocratic was an insult to the USA.
But when some Canadian government jobsworth says, in effect, something similar
about South Africa, Mr James doesn't see it as an insult.
The fact is that South Africa has a democratic non-racial constitution,
Is that so?
Please explaion
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.
BLACK BROAD BASED ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT.
and this rather quaint term of " Fair Discrimination."

Non-racial did you say?

Read it again please.
Post by Steve Hayes
with a
bill of rights to protect people like Mr Huntley, regardless or the colour of
his skin, and a constitutional court to uphold it.
The Bill of Rights (Chapter 2 of the constiution) says, inter alia, that
"the state mat not unfairly discriminate
There it is again "Unfair Discrimination."
Post by Steve Hayes
directly or indirectly against anyone
one one or more grounds, inculding race, gender, sex, pregnancy, marital
status, ethnic or social origin, colour, sexual orientation, age, disability,
religion, conscience, belief, culture, language and birth."
The remarks of the chairman of the Canadian refugee board were
gratuitously
insulting.
Bollocks.
He was entitled to his opinion.


Bodie.

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