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2010-01-20 11:58:14 UTC
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Some say Haitti is the architypal failed negroid state, that's
had over 200 years to 'get over' slavery and colonialism.

I'd say they have NOT failed; Darwinianly they are breeding
and spreading their genes over the globe.

But I can't understand how the world can believe that the earth
quake caused food shortages. Did it consume the bananas and
tomatoes ?

If the buildings collapsed in Harare and there were thus 20%
less people to feed in the capital, how would this cause an
immediate food shortage ?

OK, I see that their 2 days dry-grain/bread reserves gets
lost. It helps thinking, to write the arguments?
Of course broken water-mains is a big problem; and even
the water-wells of these undeveloped societies.

== TIA.
Steve Hayes
2010-01-20 17:06:58 UTC
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Some say Haitti is the architypal failed negroid state, that's
had over 200 years to 'get over' slavery and colonialism.
I'd say they have NOT failed; Darwinianly they are breeding
and spreading their genes over the globe.
But I can't understand how the world can believe that the earth
quake caused food shortages. Did it consume the bananas and
tomatoes ?
It's no use even trying to explain it to your limited Alpoid intelligence.
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Rod Speed
2010-01-20 19:12:30 UTC
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Some say Haitti is the architypal failed negroid state, that's
had over 200 years to 'get over' slavery and colonialism.
And managed to turn the jewel in the french overseas empire into what we see today.
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I'd say they have NOT failed; Darwinianly they are
breeding and spreading their genes over the globe.
More fool you. They dont in fact spread much.
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But I can't understand how the world can believe that the earth quake
caused food shortages. Did it consume the bananas and tomatoes ?
No, but the lack of fuel does get in the way of moving stuff
like that from where its grown to where its eaten etc and the
lack of power does see it become uneatable quite quickly.
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If the buildings collapsed in Harare and there were
thus 20% less people to feed in the capital, how
would this cause an immediate food shortage ?
Same way with all except longer lasting food like rice etc.
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OK, I see that their 2 days dry-grain/bread reserves
gets lost. It helps thinking, to write the arguments?
Of course broken water-mains is a big problem;
And the hordes who arent game to stay in the remaining buildings etc too.
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and even the water-wells of these undeveloped societies.
Water wells arent much use in citys.
Coffee's For Closers
2010-01-21 05:41:40 UTC
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Some say Haitti is the architypal failed negroid state, that's
had over 200 years to 'get over' slavery and colonialism.
I'd say they have NOT failed; Darwinianly they are breeding
and spreading their genes over the globe.
But I can't understand how the world can believe that the earth
quake caused food shortages. Did it consume the bananas and
tomatoes ?
If the buildings collapsed in Harare and there were thus 20%
less people to feed in the capital, how would this cause an
immediate food shortage ?
OK, I see that their 2 days dry-grain/bread reserves gets
lost. It helps thinking, to write the arguments?
Of course broken water-mains is a big problem; and even
the water-wells of these undeveloped societies.
The supermarket collapses.

The distribution warehouse that fed several supermarkets
collapses.

The trucking company depot collapses.

Petrol stations and wholesale fuel supply facilities collapse.

Streets and bridges are damaged, impairing shipments.

Electricity and running water are out, impairing everything.
Including the ability to cook.

The country's main port is unable to function, and the airport is
damaged.

The whole country has been hanging by a thread, for many years,
for various reasons.

It also sounds like this is a country with one main city full of
needy people and now-damaged infrastructure. So they cannot get
backup resources from another large city.
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Michael Price
2010-01-21 10:08:40 UTC
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Some say Haitti is the architypal failed negroid state, that's
had over 200 years to 'get over' slavery and colonialism.
"Despite the Haitian victory, France refused to recognize the newly
independent country's sovereignty until 1825, in exchange for 150
million gold francs [modern equivalent of $21 billion]. This fee,
demanded as retribution for the "lost property"--ie, slaves--of the
former colonialists, was later reduced to 90 million. Haiti agreed to
pay the price so that a crippling embargo imposed by France, Britain
and the United States would be lifted. But in order to do so, the
Haitian government had to take out high interest loans. The debt was
not repaid in full until 1947."
So they haven't had 200 years to get over slavery and colonialism,
they've had about 60. Of course given that the US has invaded
multiple times since 1804 so even the most basic research would show
you that claims are bullshit. But then since you're a racist troll
that's not your concern is it?
Post by n***@gmail.com
I'd say they have NOT failed; Darwinianly they are breeding
and spreading their genes over the globe.
But I can't understand how the world can believe that the earth
quake caused food shortages. Did it consume the bananas and
tomatoes ?
If the buildings collapsed in Harare and there were thus 20%
less people to feed in the capital, how would this cause an
immediate food shortage ?
OK, I see that their 2 days dry-grain/bread reserves gets
lost.  It  helps thinking, to write the arguments?
Of course broken water-mains is a big problem; and even
the water-wells of these undeveloped societies.
== TIA.
(David P.)
2010-01-21 10:22:03 UTC
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Some say Haiti is the architypal failed negroid state, that's
had over 200 years to 'get over' slavery and colonialism.
"Despite the Haitian victory, France refused to recognize the newly
independent country's sovereignty until 1825, in exchange for 150
million gold francs [modern equivalent of $21 billion]. This fee,
demanded as retribution for the "lost property"--ie, slaves--of the
former colonialists, was later reduced to 90 million. Haiti agreed to
pay the price so a crippling embargo imposed by France, Britain
and the United States would be lifted. But in order to do so, the
Haitian government had to take out high interest loans. The debt
wasn't repaid in full until 1947."
  So they haven't had 200 years to get over slavery/colonialism,
they've had about 60.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti
[...]
In its 200-year history, Haiti has seen 32 coups.
[...]
From 1957 to 1986, the Duvalier family reigned as dictators,
turning the country into a hermit kingdom with a personality
cult and corruption. They created the private army & terrorist
death squads known as Tonton Macoutes. Many Haitians
fled to exile in the US & Canada, especially Quebec.
[...]
The country has a particularly high level of corruption.
[...]
Haiti has had severe deforestation since the 1920s
and this has contributed to erosion.
[...]
Foreign aid makes up approximately 30%-40% of the
national govt's budget. The largest donor is the US,
followed by Canada, & the E.U. also contributes.
[...]
Of Haiti's 8.7 million inhabitants, the literacy rate of
65.9% is the lowest in the region.
[...]
The educational system of Haiti is based on the
French system.
[...]
1961 population -- 3.8 million
2009 population -- 9.8 million
[...]
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2010-01-22 05:34:51 UTC
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Some say Haitti is the architypal failed negroid state, that's
had over 200 years to 'get over' slavery and colonialism.
Haiti needs water, not occupation

The US has never wanted Haitian self-rule, and its focus on 'security
concerns' has hampered the earthquake aid response

Mark Weisbrot guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 20 January 2010 23.00 GMT
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On Monday, six days after the earthquake in Haiti, the US Southern
Command finally began to drop bottled water and food from an air
force C-17. US defence secretary Robert Gates had previously rejected
such a method because of "security concerns".

If people do not get clean water, there could be epidemics of
water-borne diseases that could greatly increase the death toll.
But the US is now sending 10,000 troops and seems to be prioritising
"security" over much more urgent, life-and-death needs. This in
addition to the increase of 3,500 UN troops scheduled to arrive.

On Sunday morning the world-renowned humanitarian group Doctors
Without Borders complained that a plane carrying its portable
hospital unit was re-routed by the US military through the Dominican
Republic. This would cost a crucial 48 hours and an unknown number
of lives.

On Sunday, Jarry Emmanuel, air logistics officer for the UN's World
Food Programme, said: "There are 200 flights going in and out every
day, which is an incredible amount for a country like Haiti ... But
most flights are for the US military."

Yet Lieutenant General PK Keen, deputy commander of the US Southern
Command, reports that there is less violence in Haiti now than there
was before the earthquake hit. Dr Evan Lyon, of Partners in Health,
a medical aid group famous for its heroic efforts in Haiti, referred
to "misinformation and rumours and racism" concerning security
issues.

We've been circulating throughout the city until 2:00 and 3:00 in
the morning every night, evacuating patients, moving materials.
There's no UN guards.

There's no US military presence. There's no Haitian police presence.
And there's also no violence. There is no insecurity.

To understand the US government's obsession with "security concerns,"
we must look at the recent history of Washington's involvement
there.

Long before the earthquake, Haiti's plight has been comparable to
that of many homeless people on city streets in the US: too poor
and too black to have the same effective constitutional and legal
rights as other citizens. In 2002, when a US-backed military coup
temporarily toppled the elected government of Venezuela, most
governments in the hemisphere responded quickly and helped force
the return of democratic rule. But two years later, when Haiti's
democratically elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide was kidnapped
by the US and flown to exile in Africa, the response was muted.

Unlike the two centuries of looting and pillage of Haiti since its
founding by a slave revolt in 1804, the brutal occupation by US
marines from 1915 to 1934, the countless atrocities under dictatorships
aided and abetted by Washington, the 2004 coup cannot be dismissed
as "ancient history." It was just six years ago, and it is directly
relevant to what is happening there now.

The US, together with Canada and France, conspired openly for four
years to topple Haiti's elected government, cutting off almost all
international aid in order to destroy the economy and make the
country ungovernable. They succeeded. For those who wonder why there
are no Haitian government institutions to help with the earthquake
relief efforts, this is a big reason.

Or why there are 3 million people crowded into the area where the
earthquake hit. US policy over the years also helped destroy Haitian
agriculture, for example, by forcing the import of subsidised US
rice and wiping out thousands of Haitian rice farmers.

Aristide, the country's first democratically elected president, was
overthrown after just seven months in 1991, by military officers
and death squads later discovered to be in the pay of the CIA. Now
Aristide wants to return to his country, something that the majority
of Haitians have demanded since his overthrow. But the US does not
want him there. And the Reni Prival government, which is completely
beholden to Washington, has decided that Aristide's party the largest
in Haiti will not be allowed to compete in the next elections
(originally scheduled for next month).

Washington's fear of democracy in Haiti may explain why the US is
now sending 10,000 troops and prioritising "security" over other
needs.

This military occupation by US troops will raise other concerns in
the hemisphere, depending on how long they stay just as the recent
expansion of the US military presence in Colombia has been met with
considerable discontent and distrust in the region. And non-governmental
organisations have raised other issues about the proposed reconstruction:
understandably they want Haiti's remaining debt cancelled, and
grants rather than loans (the IMF has proposed a $100m dollar loan).
Reconstruction needs will be in the billions of dollars: will
Washington encourage the establishment of a functioning government?
Or will it prevent that, channelling aid through NGOs and taking
over various functions itself, because it of its long-standing
opposition to Haitian self-rule?

But most urgently, there is a need for rapid delivery of water. The
US air force has the capability to deliver enough water for everyone
who needs it in Haiti, until ground supply chains can be established.
The more water is available, the less likely there is to be fighting
or rioting over this scarce resource. Food and medical supplies
could also be supplied through air drops.

These operations should be ramped up, immediately. There is no time
to lose.
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n***@gmail.com
2010-01-24 12:49:21 UTC
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Some say Haitti is the architypal failed negroid state, that's
had over 200 years to 'get over' slavery and colonialism.
Haiti needs water, not occupation
Many say that 'wild life management can take 2 different approaches:
1. allow the undisturbed forces of nature to prevail,
2. micro-manage.'

Since yet another rescue operation is compulsory, micro-management
and therefore 'occupation'/controlling-events-on-the-ground can't
be avoided.
Post by Steve Hayes
The US has never wanted Haitian self-rule, and its focus on 'security
concerns' has hampered the earthquake aid response
What would a motive be for "US has never wanted Haitian self-rule"?
Perhaps they want to get to the oil and treasures, like in Afghanistan?
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Mark Weisbrot guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 20 January 2010 23.00 GMT
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Trim you pastes appropriately, Madala!
Post by Steve Hayes
If people do not get clean water, there could be epidemics of
water-borne diseases that could greatly increase the death toll.
But the US is now sending 10,000 troops and seems to be prioritising
"security" over much more urgent, life-and-death needs. This in
addition to the increase of 3,500 UN troops scheduled to arrive.
Yes, that such decision are made against the background of vast
experience says a lot. How much anti-looting security did they need
to send to Indonesia or Sri-Lanka for the tsunami relief control ?
Post by Steve Hayes
On Sunday morning the world-renowned humanitarian group Doctors
Without Borders complained that a plane carrying its portable
hospital unit was re-routed by the US military through the Dominican
Republic. This would cost a crucial 48 hours and an unknown number
of lives.
"world-renowned" = name-dropping. There's no evidence given that the
overall/long-term benefit of the re-routing did NOT exceed the loss.
Post by Steve Hayes
On Sunday, Jarry Emmanuel, air logistics officer for the UN's World
Food Programme, said: "There are 200 flights going in and out every
day, which is an incredible amount for a country like Haiti ... But
most flights are for the US military."
Yes, because US military DOES action. The lefties just talk.
Post by Steve Hayes
Yet Lieutenant General PK Keen, deputy commander of the US Southern
Command, reports that there is less violence in Haiti now than there
was before the earthquake hit.
Yes the natives got real shook-up and cooled-down!
Post by Steve Hayes
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There's no US military presence. There's no Haitian police presence.
And there's also no violence. There is no insecurity.
I believe this, and it would make a good topic for a sociological study
"how the carnivore-pack-like hunters temporarily lose focus after a
national crisis".
Post by Steve Hayes
To understand the US government's obsession with "security concerns,"
we must look at the recent history of Washington's involvement
there.
-- snip leftist garbage, since the author forgot to mention "Hitler".
Unlike the two centuries of looting and pillage of Haiti since its
founding by a slave revolt in 1804, the brutal occupation by US
marines from 1915 to 1934, the countless atrocities under dictatorships
aided and abetted by Washington, the 2004 coup cannot be dismissed
as "ancient history." It was just six years ago, and it is directly
relevant to what is happening there now.
What is/was there to loot in Haiti?
Is there similar loot on the bigger non-Haiti side of the island which
I can get at too? What is the US motive for such 'atrocities' ?
---- snip garbage --
Post by Steve Hayes
Reconstruction needs will be in the billions of dollars: will
Washington encourage the establishment of a functioning government?
Is this "Reconstruction" like the African RE-naissance: the establishment
of a dream [which I must pay for] under the pretence of RE-constructing
that which could never have been, because of the genetic incapabilities
of the occupants.
Post by Steve Hayes
Or will it prevent that, channelling aid through NGOs and taking
over various functions itself, because it of its long-standing
opposition to Haitian self-rule?
Good, that's what I've been advising for Zimbabwe too: to help the
natives instead of the looting-leaders, donations must go via NGOs
or be self administered by the donors.

Perhaps the loony-leftist author also believes that Mexico's increasing
narco-chaos is also a benefit to the US, who are plotting to destroy
Mexico's self-rule?
Post by Steve Hayes
But most urgently, there is a need for rapid delivery of water. The
US air force has the capability to deliver enough water for everyone
who needs it in Haiti, until ground supply chains can be established.
The more water is available, the less likely there is to be fighting
or rioting over this scarce resource. Food and medical supplies
could also be supplied through air drops.
Yes water is essential. Suitable low-tech mechanisms could allow some
of the many loiterers to occupy themselves beneficially to transport water.
Using my money to donate expensive water by air is not sustainable.
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Some say Haiti is the archetypal failed negroid state, that's
had over 200 years to 'get over' slavery and colonialism.
Despite the Haitian victory, France refused to recognize the newly
independent country's sovereignty until 1825, in exchange for 150
million gold francs [modern equivalent of $21 billion]. This fee,
demanded as retribution for the "lost property"--ie, slaves--of
the former colonialists, was later reduced to 90 million. Haiti
agreed to pay the price so that a crippling embargo imposed by France,
Britain and the United States would be lifted. But in order to do so,
the Haitian government had to take out high interest loans. The debt
was not repaid in full until 1947."
That's interesting: who did the French negotiate with?
Who would one negotiate with in Somalia today?
Theoretically the world could embargo a functioning state by withholding
vital aircraft spares and critical economic components, but the wild
animals in a territory can't be 'embargoed' because they are 'free';
living off the land and independant of outside inputs.
How would the newly freed slaves be embargoed in 1804?
Because of the low technology and lack of globalisation, they'd be
better off than modern Zimbabweans who found out that they couldn't
cope when they expelled the colonialist managers in the 1980's.
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Post by Steve Hayes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti
In its 200-year history, Haiti has seen 32 coups.
This shouldn't need to be mentioned, nor that 'cats lick themselves clean';
because if you know cats, then you know that that's normal for them.
Post by Steve Hayes
From 1957 to 1986, the Duvalier family reigned as dictators,
turning the country into a hermit kingdom with a personality
cult and corruption. They created the private army & terrorist
death squads known as Tonton Macoutes. Many Haitians
fled to exile in the US & Canada, especially Quebec.
If they did differently, it would be worth mentioning.
Like if your cat could read.
Post by Steve Hayes
The country has a particularly high level of corruption.
It's normal in all negroid societies and the western style is no
absolute standard. IMO Islam's discipline helps balance the 'what
we call corruption'.
Post by Steve Hayes
Haiti has had severe deforestation since the 1920s
and this has contributed to erosion.
Yes ecological degradation is what kept populations under control
in sub-saharan-africa, where they evolved.
In 'towns' they cook with charcoal, which those outside of town
make from trees. They would never plant trees which needs foresight,
since they consider only their immediate satisfaction.
Post by Steve Hayes
Foreign aid makes up approximately 30%-40% of the
national govt's budget. The largest donor is the US,
followed by Canada, & the E.U. also contributes.
That's normal for negroid states.
And it's difficult to understand the thinking of the clowns who claim
that the imperial states want to occupy and [by implication] loot Haiti.
It's very significant that the leftist-apologists make no mention of
the LARGER non-Haitian part of the island, which would have a similar
physical environment, to rule out climate etc. excuses.
Post by Steve Hayes
1961 population -- 3.8 million
2009 population -- 9.8 million
This is the most important cause AND effect: like the H.I.virus which
starts small; they are breeding like rats and contaminating the human race.
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But I can't understand how the world can believe that the earth quake
caused food shortages. Did it consume the bananas and tomatoes ?
Rod Speed wrote:-
Post by Steve Hayes
No, but the lack of fuel does get in the way of moving stuff
like that from where its grown to where its eaten etc
That's why they went back to their rural villages.
Post by Steve Hayes
and the lack of power does see it become uneatable quite quickly.
They don't have refrigerators.
The concept of a highly evolved society, which experiences disaster if
electricity OR sewage OR medical resources..etc. fails, does not apply.
Their 'primitive' society functions without 'western inputs'.
That's why any enterprise that requires foresight and planning can't
be implemented in sub-saharan-africa except by 'foreigners'.

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