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Greece, Zimbabwe and South Africa
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Steve Hayes
2008-12-12 03:59:45 UTC
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On 6 December 2008 a Greek policeman shot a teenager in Athens.

A subsequent demonstration turned violent, and cars and shops were burnt.

There's a good summary of events here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Greek_riots

I can't help wondering what might happen if Zimbabwean youth responded
like Greek youth -- or like South African youth in 1976.

In Greece, similar action by youth in 1974 resulted in the restoration of
democracy. Two years alter, South African youth responded in a similar
fashion, but it took nearly 20 years, and many more deaths, before
democracy was established.

One result of the Greek action in 1974 was that the youth were honoured.
There is a public holiday, Polytechniou, to commemorate the Polytechnic
students who died, just as we have Youth Day in South Africa to
commemorate the young people who died in June 16 1976 and the following
weeks.

Another result, according to my daughter, who is a student in Athens, is
that since 1974 the police have not been allowed to enter universities.
This makes it easier for students to manufacture Molotov cocktails and the
like, and it's quite common to see burnt-out vehicles on campus.

I suspect, however, that if Zimbabwean youth tried the same thing, the
police would not arrest the policemen who killed young people, but would
reward them, and there would be many more deaths.

After 1976, many South African young people went abroad for military
training, and returned to fight back.

Many Zimbabwean youth, faced with a similar situation of police repression
and brutality, also leave the country, but I'm not aware of any of them
forming a liberation army to go home and fight back. That's probably just
as well -- the Democratic Republic of Congo as dozens of "liberation"
armies, most of which are fighting to be in a position to oppress others.
A lot of Zimbabwe's present troubles stem from the misguided attempt of
the Zimbabwean government to support one of them by sending troops to the
Congo to support one of the factions there.

Are there any lessons in all this for Zimbabwean youth?
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billious
2008-12-16 13:53:12 UTC
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Steve Hayes says what?:

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Post by Steve Hayes
Are there any lessons in all this for Zimbabwean youth?
Would they really be bothered to learn any?
Steve Hayes
2008-12-17 05:37:01 UTC
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Post by billious
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Post by Steve Hayes
Are there any lessons in all this for Zimbabwean youth?
Would they really be bothered to learn any?
Wouldn't you, if you were in their situation?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
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billious
2008-12-17 16:51:02 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:53:12 +0000 (UTC), billious
Post by billious
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Post by Steve Hayes
Are there any lessons in all this for Zimbabwean youth?
Would they really be bothered to learn any?
Wouldn't you, if you were in their situation?
Difficult to say what I would do or not do if I was in their situation.
It's easy standing on the sidelines.
ProfQ
2008-12-18 18:01:45 UTC
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Post by billious
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:53:12 +0000 (UTC), billious
Post by billious
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Post by Steve Hayes
Are there any lessons in all this for Zimbabwean youth?
Would they really be bothered to learn any?
Wouldn't you, if you were in their situation?
Difficult to say what I would do or not do if I was in their situation.
It's easy standing on the sidelines.
No one will do a damn thing! Oxfam will do what they can, some other
generous governments may do something like the Germans sending water
purification plants, and most nations will talk about talk about talk
about talk, but DO anything, never! Why? Apart from the "human worth"
there is nothing left of the former "bread basket" of Africa.

Robert Mugabe needs to be arrested, detained in a zoo along with his
cronies and counterparts, and made to live worse than a pig. He needs to
be treated like krud, like the excrement of society he is, with the
highest amount of utter contempt for wasting good oxygen while he is
allowed to continue living a luxurious life.

He is worse than the scum of the earth, worse than shark shit at the
bottom of the sea. And he must be stopped - how long will the West sit
by and consider worthless OIL more important than people?

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