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Don't stress about us in South Africa
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Steve Hayes
2012-10-30 10:40:15 UTC
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Dont stress about us in SA – a letter that just made my Monday morning
Oct29 by abcitsme

So Paul Harris, founder of First Rand sent this mail to a concerned friend:

Hi Jeff

Hope all is well with you guys. I will drop you a line later with the family
news but I would first like to respond to the e-mail you sent me attaching an
article by Clem Sunter, which seemed to concern you about us here in South
Africa.

You also sent me an article last year by Moeletsi Mbeki warning about the
danger of an “Arab Spring” in South Africa. I often get e-mails like this from
“concerned friends” worried about us, which is sweet of you guys. Of course we
are concerned. Some worrying things have happened but we have been through and
survived much worse in much more volatile environments. Including the Boer
War, two World Wars, apartheid, the financial crisis without a bank bailout,
the Rindapest, Ge Korsten and Die Antwoord!

However, for as long as I can remember there have always been people who think
SA has five years left before we go over the cliff. No change from when I was
at school in the sixties. The five years went down to a few months at times in
the eighties!

But it seems the people who are the most worried live far from the cliff in
places like Toronto, Auckland, London and other wet and cold places. Also from
St Ives and Rose Bay in Sydney, Dallas and Europe and other “safe places” that
are in the grip of the global financial crisis, which by the way is quite
scary. Many of them have survived decades of rolling “five years left” since
they left South Africa. So maybe they will be right one day!

My message is, please don’t stress about us in South Africa. We are fine. We
are cool. We know we live in the most beautiful country in the world with warm
and vibrant people. There are more people here with smiles on their faces than
in any country I have ever been to.

Young people are returning in droves with skills and a positive attitude.
Collectively we bumble along and stuff many things up while letting off a hell
of a lot of steam (have you heard of a chap called Julius Malema?). Yet in
between South Africans do some amazing things like win a few gold medals, big
golf tournaments and cricket and rugby matches.

The South Africans I know get off their butts and do things to build our
country rather than whinge from a position of comfort. We actively participate
in projects that improve the lot of underprivileged communities. I would not
trade for anything last Saturday in a hall full of 1500 African teachers
singing at the top of their voices and demonstrating their commitment to
improving education in their communities.

We have our challenges and surprises. The standard deviation of our emotions
are set at MAX. You are never just a “little bit happy” or a “little bit sad”.
At one moment you can be “off the scale” pissed off or frustrated or sad or
worried or fearful or depressed. The next moment you are “off the scale”
exhilarated, or enchanted, or inspired, or humbled by a kind deed, or
surprised by something beautiful. It makes life interesting and worth living.

We also have passionate debates about the future of SA. Helped of course by
red wine which you must taste again because it is getting better every year!
Clem makes a great contribution to the debate as others like Moletsi Mbeki do.
Russell Loubser the ex-head of the JSE made a feisty speech the other day that
has whipped up emotions. Up to MAX on the emotions meter of the ANC Youth
League whose campaign for nationalisation of the mines was attributed to
people who have IQs equal to room temperature.

South African politics has always been volatile, we have opinions that could
not be further apart and it evokes emotion on a massive scale. Interesting and
stimulating for those that want to take it seriously but noise in the system
to me. Fortunately we are rid of apartheid that would have definitely pushed
us over the cliff. These are the birth pangs of a new and unpredictable
democracy. So buckle up and enjoy the ride and contribute! That is the message
I convey to South Africans.

Sad as it is, it is true that the South African diaspora has a largely
negative influence on confidence in South Africa. It would not be a problem if
their fretting about how long we will last before we go over the cliff was
merely a reflection of their concern for us, their friends and family.

The problem is that it does impact foreign investment, which is important for
economic growth. A person who is thinking of coming to visit or investing is
often put off by listening wide-eyed to the stories of people who have gapped
it.

As you know I host many foreign visitors and I have never, EVER, met anyone
who has visited for the first time without being blown away by the beauty of
the country and the warmth of the people. It is not for nothing that South
Africa has the highest ratio of repeat visitors of all long-haul destinations.

So, Jeff, how can I help you stop stressing out about us? Maybe best is that
you get exposed to some articles and websites that give a more balanced and
uplifting perspective of South Africa. So please don’t worry and if you get a
chance, put in a good word for us.

All the best

PAUL HARRIS

http://abcitsme.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/dont-stress-about-us-in-sa-a-letter-that-just-made-my-monday-morning/
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
el Presidenti
2012-11-07 09:34:41 UTC
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Dont stress about us in SA - a letter that just made my Monday morning
Oct29 by abcitsme
Hi Jeff
Hope all is well with you guys. I will drop you a line later with the family
news but I would first like to respond to the e-mail you sent me attaching an
article by Clem Sunter, which seemed to concern you about us here in South
Africa.
You also sent me an article last year by Moeletsi Mbeki warning about the
danger of an "Arab Spring" in South Africa. I often get e-mails like this
from
"concerned friends" worried about us, which is sweet of you guys. Of
course we
are concerned. Some worrying things have happened but we have been through and
survived much worse in much more volatile environments. Including the Boer
War, two World Wars, apartheid, the financial crisis without a bank bailout,
the Rindapest, Ge Korsten and Die Antwoord!
However, for as long as I can remember there have always been people who think
SA has five years left before we go over the cliff. No change from when I was
at school in the sixties. The five years went down to a few months at times in
the eighties!
But it seems the people who are the most worried live far from the cliff in
places like Toronto, Auckland, London and other wet and cold places. Also from
St Ives and Rose Bay in Sydney, Dallas and Europe and other "safe places"
that
are in the grip of the global financial crisis, which by the way is quite
scary. Many of them have survived decades of rolling "five years left"
since
they left South Africa. So maybe they will be right one day!
My message is, please don't stress about us in South Africa. We are fine.
We
are cool. We know we live in the most beautiful country in the world with warm
and vibrant people. There are more people here with smiles on their faces than
in any country I have ever been to.
...amazing, every country I've lived in (five) all claim to be the best and
most beautiful!
... you obviously have not been to many countries either.
Young people are returning in droves with skills and a positive attitude.
... clarify a drove. 10, 20, 100 per month/year/decade?
Collectively we bumble along and stuff many things up while letting off a hell
... bumble being the operative word here.
of a lot of steam (have you heard of a chap called Julius Malema?). Yet in
between South Africans do some amazing things like win a few gold medals, big
golf tournaments and cricket and rugby matches.
... a few, yes.
The South Africans I know get off their butts and do things to build our
country rather than whinge from a position of comfort. We actively participate
in projects that improve the lot of underprivileged communities. I would not
trade for anything last Saturday in a hall full of 1500 African teachers
singing at the top of their voices and demonstrating their commitment to
improving education in their communities.
We have our challenges and surprises. The standard deviation of our emotions
are set at MAX. You are never just a "little bit happy" or a "little bit
sad".
At one moment you can be "off the scale" pissed off or frustrated or sad
or
worried or fearful or depressed. The next moment you are "off the scale"
exhilarated, or enchanted, or inspired, or humbled by a kind deed, or
surprised by something beautiful. It makes life interesting and worth living.
Bi-polar?
We also have passionate debates about the future of SA. Helped of course by
red wine which you must taste again because it is getting better every year!
Clem makes a great contribution to the debate as others like Moletsi Mbeki do.
Russell Loubser the ex-
....bla - bla - bla etc......
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2012-11-07 10:46:19 UTC
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Post by el Presidenti
Dont stress about us in SA - a letter that just made my Monday morning
Oct29 by abcitsme
Hi Jeff
Hope all is well with you guys. I will drop you a line later with the family
news but I would first like to respond to the e-mail you sent me attaching an
article by Clem Sunter, which seemed to concern you about us here in South
Africa.
You also sent me an article last year by Moeletsi Mbeki warning about the
danger of an "Arab Spring" in South Africa. I often get e-mails like this
from
"concerned friends" worried about us, which is sweet of you guys. Of
course we
are concerned. Some worrying things have happened but we have been through and
survived much worse in much more volatile environments. Including the Boer
War, two World Wars, apartheid, the financial crisis without a bank bailout,
the Rindapest, Ge Korsten and Die Antwoord!
However, for as long as I can remember there have always been people who think
SA has five years left before we go over the cliff. No change from when I was
at school in the sixties. The five years went down to a few months at times in
the eighties!
But it seems the people who are the most worried live far from the cliff in
places like Toronto, Auckland, London and other wet and cold places. Also from
St Ives and Rose Bay in Sydney, Dallas and Europe and other "safe places"
that
are in the grip of the global financial crisis, which by the way is quite
scary. Many of them have survived decades of rolling "five years left"
since
they left South Africa. So maybe they will be right one day!
My message is, please don't stress about us in South Africa. We are fine.
We
are cool. We know we live in the most beautiful country in the world with warm
and vibrant people. There are more people here with smiles on their faces than
in any country I have ever been to.
...amazing, every country I've lived in (five) all claim to be the best and
most beautiful!
... you obviously have not been to many countries either.
Young people are returning in droves with skills and a positive attitude.
... clarify a drove. 10, 20, 100 per month/year/decade?
Collectively we bumble along and stuff many things up while letting off a hell
... bumble being the operative word here.
of a lot of steam (have you heard of a chap called Julius Malema?). Yet in
between South Africans do some amazing things like win a few gold medals, big
golf tournaments and cricket and rugby matches.
... a few, yes.
The South Africans I know get off their butts and do things to build our
country rather than whinge from a position of comfort. We actively participate
in projects that improve the lot of underprivileged communities. I would not
trade for anything last Saturday in a hall full of 1500 African teachers
singing at the top of their voices and demonstrating their commitment to
improving education in their communities.
We have our challenges and surprises. The standard deviation of our emotions
are set at MAX. You are never just a "little bit happy" or a "little bit
sad".
At one moment you can be "off the scale" pissed off or frustrated or sad
or
worried or fearful or depressed. The next moment you are "off the scale"
exhilarated, or enchanted, or inspired, or humbled by a kind deed, or
surprised by something beautiful. It makes life interesting and worth living.
Bi-polar?
We also have passionate debates about the future of SA. Helped of course by
red wine which you must taste again because it is getting better every year!
Clem makes a great contribution to the debate as others like Moletsi Mbeki do.
Russell Loubser the ex-
....bla - bla - bla etc......
I was stressing over Iran bombing first Israel then South Africa.
Etienne Marais
2012-11-17 18:10:10 UTC
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Dont stress about us in SA a letter that just made my Monday morning
Oct29 by abcitsme
Hi Jeff
Hope all is well with you guys. I will drop you a line later with the family
news but I would first like to respond to the e-mail you sent me attaching an
article by Clem Sunter, which seemed to concern you about us here in South
Africa.
You also sent me an article last year by Moeletsi Mbeki warning about the
danger of an Arab Spring in South Africa. I often get e-mails like this from
concerned friends worried about us, which is sweet of you guys. Of course we
are concerned. Some worrying things have happened but we have been through and
survived much worse in much more volatile environments. Including the Boer
War, two World Wars, apartheid, the financial crisis without a bank bailout,
the Rindapest, Ge Korsten and Die Antwoord!
However, for as long as I can remember there have always been people who think
SA has five years left before we go over the cliff. No change from when I was
at school in the sixties. The five years went down to a few months at times in
the eighties!
But it seems the people who are the most worried live far from the cliff in
places like Toronto, Auckland, London and other wet and cold places. Also from
St Ives and Rose Bay in Sydney, Dallas and Europe and other safe places that
are in the grip of the global financial crisis, which by the way is quite
scary. Many of them have survived decades of rolling five years left since
they left South Africa. So maybe they will be right one day!
My message is, please don t stress about us in South Africa. We are fine. We
are cool. We know we live in the most beautiful country in the world with warm
and vibrant people. There are more people here with smiles on their faces than
in any country I have ever been to.
Young people are returning in droves with skills and a positive attitude.
Collectively we bumble along and stuff many things up while letting off a hell
of a lot of steam (have you heard of a chap called Julius Malema?). Yet in
between South Africans do some amazing things like win a few gold medals, big
golf tournaments and cricket and rugby matches.
The South Africans I know get off their butts and do things to build our
country rather than whinge from a position of comfort. We actively participate
in projects that improve the lot of underprivileged communities. I would not
trade for anything last Saturday in a hall full of 1500 African teachers
singing at the top of their voices and demonstrating their commitment to
improving education in their communities.
We have our challenges and surprises. The standard deviation of our emotions
are set at MAX. You are never just a little bit happy or a little bit sad .
At one moment you can be off the scale pissed off or frustrated or sad or
worried or fearful or depressed. The next moment you are off the scale
exhilarated, or enchanted, or inspired, or humbled by a kind deed, or
surprised by something beautiful. It makes life interesting and worth living.
We also have passionate debates about the future of SA. Helped of course by
red wine which you must taste again because it is getting better every year!
Clem makes a great contribution to the debate as others like Moletsi Mbeki do.
Russell Loubser the ex-head of the JSE made a feisty speech the other day that
has whipped up emotions. Up to MAX on the emotions meter of the ANC Youth
League whose campaign for nationalisation of the mines was attributed to
people who have IQs equal to room temperature.
South African politics has always been volatile, we have opinions that could
not be further apart and it evokes emotion on a massive scale. Interesting and
stimulating for those that want to take it seriously but noise in the system
to me. Fortunately we are rid of apartheid that would have definitely pushed
us over the cliff. These are the birth pangs of a new and unpredictable
democracy. So buckle up and enjoy the ride and contribute! That is the message
I convey to South Africans.
Sad as it is, it is true that the South African diaspora has a largely
negative influence on confidence in South Africa. It would not be a problem if
their fretting about how long we will last before we go over the cliff was
merely a reflection of their concern for us, their friends and family.
The problem is that it does impact foreign investment, which is important for
economic growth. A person who is thinking of coming to visit or investing is
often put off by listening wide-eyed to the stories of people who have gapped
it.
As you know I host many foreign visitors and I have never, EVER, met anyone
who has visited for the first time without being blown away by the beauty of
the country and the warmth of the people. It is not for nothing that South
Africa has the highest ratio of repeat visitors of all long-haul destinations.
So, Jeff, how can I help you stop stressing out about us? Maybe best is that
you get exposed to some articles and websites that give a more balanced and
uplifting perspective of South Africa. So please don t worry and if you get a
chance, put in a good word for us.
All the best
PAUL HARRIS
http://abcitsme.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/dont-stress-about-us-in-sa-a...
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog:http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Yes Paul Harris, nothing to fret about. More than 4000 farmers
brutally murdered since 1994 as well as tens of thousands of other
whites. 50 to 60 Murders a day is just grand, is it not ?
bigdude
2012-11-24 14:52:38 UTC
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Post by Etienne Marais
Post by Steve Hayes
As you know I host many foreign visitors and I have never, EVER, met
anyone who has visited for the first time without being blown away by
the beauty of the country and the warmth of the people. It is not for
nothing that South Africa has the highest ratio of repeat visitors of
all long-haul destinations.
So, Jeff, how can I help you stop stressing out about us? Maybe best is
that you get exposed to some articles and websites that give a more
balanced and uplifting perspective of South Africa. So please don t
worry and if you get a chance, put in a good word for us.
All the best
PAUL HARRIS
http://abcitsme.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/dont-stress-about-us-in-sa-a...
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog:http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Yes Paul Harris, nothing to fret about. More than 4000 farmers
brutally murdered since 1994 as well as tens of thousands of other
whites. 50 to 60 Murders a day is just grand, is it not ?
You can be sure if you had started First Rand Bank then you would be
smiling too, no murders on his big estates.. He also does not mention
Anglo American, De Beers, SA Breweries and all the other financial
giants who ran overseas with their head offices, instead he shits on
individual expats for reducing business confidence and foreign
investment!
Etienne Marais
2012-11-24 19:33:28 UTC
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Post by bigdude
Post by Etienne Marais
Post by Steve Hayes
As you know I host many foreign visitors and I have never, EVER, met
anyone who has visited for the first time without being blown away by
the beauty of the country and the warmth of the people. It is not for
nothing that South Africa has the highest ratio of repeat visitors of
all long-haul destinations.
So, Jeff, how can I help you stop stressing out about us? Maybe best is
that you get exposed to some articles and websites that give a more
balanced and uplifting perspective of South Africa. So please don t
worry and if you get a chance, put in a good word for us.
All the best
PAUL HARRIS
http://abcitsme.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/dont-stress-about-us-in-sa-a...
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog:http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Yes Paul Harris, nothing to fret about. More than 4000 farmers
brutally murdered since 1994 as well as tens of thousands of other
whites. 50 to 60 Murders a day is just grand, is it not ?
You can be sure if you had started First Rand Bank then you would be
smiling too, no murders on his big estates.. He also does not mention
Anglo American, De Beers, SA Breweries and all the other financial
giants who ran overseas with their head offices, instead he shits on
individual expats for reducing business confidence and foreign
investment!
"Some worrying things have happened but we have been through and
survived much worse in much more volatile environments. Including the
Boer
War, two World Wars, apartheid, the financial crisis without a bank
bailout,
the Rindapest, Ge Korsten and Die Antwoord! "

Who is the "we" he speaks about, WW I had nothing to do with South
Africa
and WW II dragged us in but had little effect.

Is he still clining to Mother England or is he perhaps Jewish ???

Apartheid was the most glorious period in SA history, even with
sanctions we
had a strong economy, lived in peace,safety and prosperity. Apartheid
gave
blacks the highest living standards in sub-Saharan Africa, produced
more black
millionaires than sub-Saharan Africa combined, spent 57% of tax
expenditure
on black interests, increased blacks' average life expectancy by 28
years, saw
an EXPONENTIAL GROWTH of blacks' numbers.

Clearly he is just another anti-Afrikaner racist bigot.

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